I still believe that we should get a mac because of: all the in house expertise (kenton/etc)thriving ucsf community it works out of the box /networking&otherwise it is(now)fully UNIX, &has always had most of what you want from Linux you can run Linux(&even windows)Right on that(dual-core)Intel chip (as well) You can also dual boot(intel based)Linux on it; indistingushable from a Dell it isn't much more than a dell getting just one would let us, be deversified(which is better than mono-culture/lock-in) most of the lab has macs at home, &it could work rather seamlessly We could get one .Mac account, and have network backup/viewing of our machines,even w/o serving IP This page has been replaced with: http://mike.bobak.googlepages.com/sys.htm ---- ---- Since we don't have sysadmins, I suggest the easiest to maintain boxes. ---- ---- Two 2.66GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeon [8core option] 8GB (4 x 2GB) [can double it later] four: 750GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s = 3Tb(toomuch) AppleCare Protection Plan for Mac Pro; total $6,643 & this is before an edu discount is applied (That is overkill really, you can get one for 1/2 that or to test the waters a mini for 1/10th that) ?? I've also priced out a similar system for 3k or even 2k. or go w/Linux; you can even get2micro clusters for this price, http://littlefe.net/ but w/o the support http://www.calvin.edu/~adams/research/microwulf/