128.218.178.245 is the IP for the dell everyone has standard login names &your pasword has been randomly generated I can give it to you later. I think the root paswd has gone to the same as arches; I can check, but Ben has to update arches first anyway. I have all the cl-debian packages on it, but can check on the databases/etc, tomorrow. The g3 wouldn't boot w/the disk, nor will the ultrasparc